Episode 23

23 - Are You a Professional?

Published on: 31st July, 2025

Dr. George Musgrave and Dr. Carolyn Cavanaugh-Toft

Lyrics Reference: Context


~”I was Number 10 in the MTV chart. on radio one with Rihanna, the Arctic Monkeys. I was working with Ed Sheeran. . . Mike Skinner. . . I just signed with a subsidiary of Atlantic. and then I just sort of fell out of love from doing it.”


~”in a way, I've just swapped one obsession which was like music and trying to get signed on the radio for another, which is publishing and being cited. It's basically the same drug.”

~"Getting Paid in Cheese Sandwiches."

~”Can Music Make You Sick?” book 

~”The word ‘professional’ is meaningless.”

~”There's a huge desire to always be enthusiastic when you work in music. Everything's brilliant, everything's wonderful. “

~”’Well, yeah, they choose that lifestyle. So they get what they paid for.‘“

~”So the question is: What does success mean to you? How do you define it?”

~”in a way, I've just swapped one obsession which was like music and trying to get signed on the radio for another, which is publishing and being cited. It's basically the same drug.”

~“The myth is that if we ask people about suicide, that it'll make them, you know, it'll give them thoughts of wanting to. And we have to be like, ‘No, the data show that is not the case.’”



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